Where did Liberals come from

John Locke, Rousseau and Voltaire

California is one of the most Liberal states in the union, and I was wondering where Liberalism came from. There are many sites on the internet so I chose this one to post.The above people above were instrumental in forming the party. Though there are others that helped it along. This is a small insert from http://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/1365/how-did-the-term-liberal-become-progressive.

American liberalism, the dominant Ideology of the Democratic Party, was formed from two strands:

Classical liberalism, the philosophy formed in the Enlightenment by thinkers like John Locke, Voltaire, and Rousseau, and providing the driving force for both the American Revolution and the French Revolution, which states that the autonomy of the individual should be maximized, and the individual should be freed from whatever institutions are preventing them from reaching their potential, be it the Church or the State.
Progressivism, a populist reform movement in the early twentieth century, espoused by Presidents like Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson, and grounded in Protestant moralism, which sought to make government both more responsive to the plight of the people, for instance using Constitutional amendments to deal with social problems like alcoholism and using government force to quash monopolies, and at the same time more representative of the will of the electorate, for instance instituting more democracy like the direct election of Senators and ending the corruption of Machine politics in the cities.
These two strands were merged into the ideology we call American liberalism by John Dewey and his followers, who argued that we needed a broader conception of liberty than the one maintained by laissez-faire negative-rights libertarians. The key idea can be summed up in a quote from Anatole France: “In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets, and steal loaves of bread.” Basically, the idea is that the freedom to starve because you have no food is not a meaningful freedom at all, because it does not maximize your autonomy or allow your to realize your potential, which were important goals in classical liberalism.

Thus Dewey argued that we should recognize positive liberty as well as negative liberty, meaning that e.g. just as we ought to recognize a right to live without someone killing you, we similarly ought to recognize a right to live without dying due to lack of food. Thus American liberalism advocates that the government should play some role in the economy in order to give people autonomy and enable them to pursue their own happiness, along the lines of the “responsiveness” part of the Progressive philosophy. Thus Americans liberals still try to achieve the goals of classical liberalism, but they sometimes do it through Progressive means. (This is akin to how, as I discuss here, American conservatism tries to achieve the goals of traditionalism, but often through libertarian means.)

There’s one other way that American liberalism differs from classical liberalism: classical liberals took a deontological perspective on liberty, viewing personal autonomy and the pursuit of happiness as things that are inherently worthy of being promoted, regardless of what they lead to. American liberalism, on the other hand, because it emerged partly from Progressivism, tends to take a more utilitarian perspective on such things, viewing autonomy merely as a means to an end, the end being increasing the happiness of as many people as possible. The liberal understanding of utilitarianism is perhaps best understood through the work of John Rawls, who proposed a thought experiment along roughly these lines: suppose that you’re a soul waiting to be born, but you don’t know which body you’re going to be born into and what experiences that body is going to have. But before you’re born, you have the opportunity to design how society and government should be. How should you design it in order to maximize your chances of having a good life? Well, you don’t know what desires you’re going to have, but whatever they are, you’re probably going to want them fulfilled, so you would want a society that as much as possible allows people to pursue their own happiness. And you may end up being born in utter poverty that may prevent you from being happy, or you may start off being wealthy but then you may suffer calamities like disease and natural disasters, so assuming you’re risk averse (as humans tend to be in most circumstances), you’d want the government to have a safety net to shelter you from such risks. So that’s where the basic contours of the liberal position emerge.

Finally, let me mention something about foreign policy. The Progressive presidents advocated a very interventionist foreign policy, since they were motivated by the desire to help people as much as possible, even people abroad. Liberals still share some of this impulse, and are willing to support limited American military intervention in circumstances of extreme humanitarian crisis. But mostly their foreign policy views were taken from classical liberalism, so they they’re antiwar for the most part.

In any case, when contemporary liberals call themselves progressive, they’re hearkening back to their intellectual predecessors.

(I discuss the underpinnings of American conservatism here if you’re interested.)

EDIT: Yuval Levin has just written a book which argues that the positive rights vision of liberalism originated not with Dewey in the early twentieth century as I suggested, but rather in the late 1700’s with Thomas Paine, one of America’s founding fathers. Levin argues that the modern American left-right divide originated in the debate in America and England over the French Revolution. Paine was an enthusiastic supporter of the French Revolution, because he thought that government is an institution deliberately created by people to sageguard their individual liberty, and so it could be overthrown whenever the people thought it wasn’t doing a good job. On the other hand, Edmund Burke, a predecessor to modern conservatism, saw government as an institution that grew organically as a tradition, and that we should be suspicious of making changes to it just because individuals in the current generation happen to object to it. In any case, Paine’s philosophy of individualism led him to believe that an individual can only realize his full potential if he’s not constrained by material want, so he believed in the government providing basic necessities to everyone. Thus, Levin argues, the early twentieth century Progressive movement was merely reinventing the wheel.

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Not sure WHO or WHAT I am anymore..

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I have become more complicated, and I want to thank those of you who are brave enough to still associate with me regardless of what I have become.

 

The following is a recap of my current identity:

I was born white, which makes me a racist.

 

I am a fiscal and moral conservative, which makes me a fascist.

I am heterosexual, which makes me a homophobe.

 

I am a Christian, which makes me an infidel.

 

I am older than 70 and retired, which makes me a useless old man or woman!

I think and I reason, therefore I doubt much that the main stream media tells me, which makes me a reactionary.

 

I am proud of my heritage and our inclusive American culture, which makes me a xenophobe.

I value my safety and that of my family, therefore I appreciate the police and the legal system, which makes me a right-wing extremist.

 

I believe in hard work, fair play, and fair compensation according to each individual’s merits, which makes me anti-social.

I, and my friends, acquired a good education without student loans and no debt at graduation, which makes me some kind of odd underachiever.

 

I believe in the defense and protection of the homeland by all citizens, which makes me a militarist.

Please help me come to terms with this, because I‘m not sure who I am anymore!

 

And now, my newest problem: I’m not sure which bathroom to use!?!

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OPPOSE AB 450, AB 1664, AB 1673, AB 1674, AB 1695, and AB 2607.

These are gun laws going before Governor Brown today. It makes me mad but there is nothing I can do to stop him from passing them. Liberals outnumber us and don’t care if we call, write or email them they will not listen, they laugh at us and do whatever they want anyway. I applaud the NRA  and other gun rights groups for fighting the above, but we are out numbered.

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Stupid is as stupid does

> Have you heard of the Nuremberg Trials?
>
> 1 in 13 might say they have, but will not be able to tell
> you “what” was on trial (not who).
>
> Those same people will not be able to tell you the name of
> the Vice President.
>
> 84% of those who receive this will not read it completely,
> or at all.
>
> 10% will, but will also choose not to forward it.
>
> The remaining 6% will forward it.
>
> Stupid is as stupid does…
>
> The war started in the 7th century and lasted through the
> 17th century. I would contend it’s never stopped, but the
> facts below are historically correct.
>
> This is why I choke when I hear someone say we will defeat
> or contain these Islamic terrorists in a few years, or even
> 30 years, as recently stated by Leon Panetta.
>
> If the latest batch of murders, beheadings, and killing of
> innocent Christians has shocked you, maybe you should read
> this compilation of historical facts about the hatred of
> Muslims for all who are not Muslims.
>
> WE, …ARE THE STUPID
>
> This is factually (and historically) correct – and fully
> verifiable:
>
> In 732 A.D. the Muslim Army, which was moving on Paris, was
> defeated and turned back at Tours, France, by Charles
> Martell.
>
> In 1571 A.D. the Muslim Army/Navy was defeated by the
> Italians and Austrians as they tried to cross the
> Mediterranean to attack southern Europe in the Battle of
> Lepanto.
>
> In 1683 A.D. the Turkish Muslim Army, attacking Eastern
> Europe, was finally defeated in the Battle of Vienna by
> German and Polish Christian Armies.
>
> This crap has been going on for 1,400 years, and half of the
> politicians don’t even know it.
>
> If these battles had not been won, we might be speaking
> Arabic and Christianity could be non-existent; Judaism
> certainly would not exist.
>

> Reflecting: A lot of Americans have become so insulated from
> reality that they imagine that America can suffer defeat
> without any inconvenience to themselves. Pause a moment and
> reflect back.
>
> These events are actual events from history. They really
> happened! Do you remember?
>
> 47 years since 1968 …and this just keeps going on and on.
>
> 1. In 1968, Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by a Muslim
> male.
>
> 2. In 1972, at the Munich Olympics, Israeli athletes were
> kidnapped and massacred by Muslim males.
>
> 3. In 1972, a Pan Am 747 was hijacked and eventually
> diverted to Cairo where a fuse was lit on final approach.
> Shortly after landing it was blown up by Muslim males.
>
> 4. In 1973, a Pan Am 707 was destroyed in Rome, with 33
> people killed, when it was attacked with grenades by Muslim
> males.
>
> 5. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by Muslim
> males.
>
> 6. During the 1980’s a number of Americans were
> kidnapped in Lebanon by Muslim males.
>
> 7. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by
> Muslim males.
>
> 8. In 1985, the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a
> 70-year old American passenger was murdered and thrown
> overboard in his wheelchair by Muslim males.
>
> 9. In 1985, TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens , and a US
> Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by
> Muslim males.
>
> 10. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by Muslim males.
>
> 11. In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed the first
> time by Muslim males.
>
> 12. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were
> bombed by Muslim males.
>
> 13. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used
> as missiles to take down the World Trade Centers and of the
> remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the
> other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands
> of people were killed by Muslim males.
>
> 14. In 2002, the United States fought a war in Afghanistan
> against Muslim males.
>
> 15. In 2002, reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and
> beheaded by – you guessed it – a Muslim male. (Plus two
> other American journalists who were just recently
> beheaded).
>
> 16. In 2013, the Boston Marathon bombing resulted in 4
> Innocent people, (including a child) being killed and 264
> people injured by Muslim males.
>
> No Obama, I really don’t see a pattern here to justify
> profiling, do you?  So, to ensure we Americans never
> offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us,
> airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to
> profile certain people.
>
> So, ask yourself “Just how stupid are we???”
>
> Absolutely No Profiling! They must conduct random searches
> of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with
> proper identification, secret agents who are members of the
> Obama’s security detail, 85-year-old Congressmen with
> metal hips, and Medal of Honor winner and former Governor
> Joe Foss, BUT……..leave Muslim Males alone lest we be
> guilty of profiling.
>
> Ask yourself, “Just how stupid are we?” Have the
> American people completely lost their minds or just their
> Power of Reason???
>
> Let’s send this to as many people as we can so that the
> Gloria Alred’s and other stupid attorneys; along with
> Federal Justices, that want to thwart common sense, feel
> ashamed of themselves — if they have any such sense.
>
> As the writer of the award winning story “Forrest Gump
> ” so aptly put it, “Stupid Is as Stupid
> Does.”
>
> Each opportunity that you have to send this to a friend or
> media outlet…
>
> Do It!
>
> OR JUST SIT BACK, KEEP GRIPING, AND DO NOTHING. AS OBAMA
> SAID IN HIS BOOK “NOTHING SOUNDS AS BEAUTIFUL AS THE
> MUSLIM EVENING PRAYERS FROM THE TOWER.” Klink A.D.
>
> >

Wake Up People

Franklin Graham


Subject:
 The American dream 

Time is like a river. You cannot touch the same water twice, because the
flow that has passed will never pass again.

Franklin Graham, son of Billy Graham, was speaking at the First
Baptist Church in Jacksonville ,
Florida in January, 2015, when he said
America will not come back. He wrote:

The American dream ended on November 6th, 2012 in Ohio . The second
term of Barack Obama has been the final nail in the coffin for the
legacy of the white Christian males who discovered, explored,
pioneered, settled and developed the greatest republic in the history
of mankind. A coalition of blacks, Latinos, feminists, gays,
government workers, union members, environmental extremists, the
media, Hollywood , uninformed young people, the “forever needy,” the
chronically unemployed, illegal aliens and other “fellow travelers”
have ended Norman Rockwell’s America .

You will never again out-vote these people. It will take individual
acts of defiance and massive displays of civil disobedience to get
back the rights we have allowed them to take away. It will take
zealots, not moderates and shy, not reach-across-the-aisle RINOs to
right this ship and restore our beloved country to its former status.
People like me are completely politically irrelevant, and I will
probably never again be able to legally comment on or concern myself
with the aforementioned coalition which has surrendered our culture,
our heritage and our traditions without a shot being fired.

The cocker spaniel is off the front porch, the pit bull is in the back
yard. The American Constitution has been replaced with Saul Alinsky’s
“Rules for Radicals.” The likes of Chicago shyster David Axelrod
along with international socialist George Soros have been pulling the
strings on their beige puppet and brought us Act 2 of the New World
Order. The curtain will come down but the damage has been done, the
story has been told.

Those who come after us will once again have to risk their lives,
their fortunes and their sacred honor to bring back the Republic that
this generation has timidly frittered away due to white guilt and
political correctness…

This was sent in my email today. Thought I would share it.

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Deport All Illegals, Start With Prisoners, ACLU, SPLC, Bring Back HUAC, – Michael Savage ⋆ UFP NEWS

Freedom

Michael Savage

via Deport All Illegals, Start With Prisoners, ACLU, SPLC, Bring Back HUAC, – Michael Savage ⋆ UFP NEWS.

Michael Savage says what I have been saying all along. We need to get our country back where we are respected instead of laughed at. And what he says is a great way to start.

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California Sheriffs Attack Carry License Applicants in AB 1134 | Firearms Policy Coalition

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California Sheriffs Attack Carry License Applicants in AB 1134 | Firearms Policy Coalition.

To the Sheriffs and legistators that are trying hard to make carrying a firearm, I don’t quite understand your reasoning. Now I have nothing but respect for law enforcement and it would be a sorry world without them. But like everyone else they need a little help. The Second Amendment gives them the help they need.

Let me give you something to think about.

Everyone of you have people you love, be they a child, wife, parents or someone else. Now suppose some of them go out to a mall, theater or anywhere people gather. And all at once a gunman steps up and starts shooting. He kills many including your loved ones. So you cannot talk to them or laugh with them again or feel them close again. So the police show up and start looking into why this happened, but this doesn’t help your loved ones. I call this After The Fact.

Now the other side.

Your love ones go to a gathering and a shooter shows up and starts shooting, he turns the gun in the direction of your loved ones and starts to pull the trigger. But this person with a CCW license steps up and pulls his gun and shoots the shooter. Your loved ones have been saved because of this one person.

Look around you and see how many loved ones your members have, the odds of this happening in not that far fetched. It could even be you. So you keep passing laws to prevent people from having a CCW permit. I don’t understand you.

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